Can Sasuke Beat Madara ? : Theory Sasuke Vs Madara

Sasuke Vs Madara

While Naruto and Boruto are part of the same narrative universe, the two worlds are – in a lot of ways – vastly different. Still, it is interesting to see what would happen if the two worlds clashed and that is exactly what we are going to do in this article. The two characters we are going to compare today are Sasuke from Boruto Vs Madara Uchiha from Naruto to determine which antagonist from Masashi Kishimoto’s franchise is the stronger one.

Sasuke Uchiha is one of the more powerful members of the UChiha Clan, but he is no match for Madara Uchiha. Madara Uchiha is simply on a higher level and while they do have somewhat similar powers and abilities, Madara has proven himself to be a much more skilled shinobi than Sasuke, which is why he wins this one.

Can Sasuke Beat Madara ?

Now that you have the short version of the answer, the rest of the article is going to be divided into three sections, with the first two introducing the characters, their powers, and their abilities. In the end, we’re going to give our final verdict and explanation on why Madara would ultimately be able to defeat Momoshiki in a direct fight.

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Could adult Sasuke beat Madara? Why or why not?

Wait…

Why is this still an active discussion?!?

Alright.

Could adult Sasuke beat Madara? Why or why not?

Adult Sasuke

Vs

Could adult Sasuke beat Madara? Why or why not?

Juubi Madara.

Now, I’ve taken quite a liking to Sasuke over the past few days,

So I will be absolutely fair during this analysis. (I’ll try)

That being said, Sasuke gets demolished in all categories.

Speed Sasuke Vs Madara :

Speed Sasuke Vs Madara :

In Boruto, Sasuke is shown to be as fast as Naruto if not faster.

While impressive, it means nothing to Madara.

Speed Sasuke Vs Madara :

Madara in a form less than Base, has been shown to easily react to KCM1 and KCM2.

Speed Sasuke Vs Madara :

We know Madara was less than his base physical peak because Edo Tensei reduces all physical stats.

Speed Sasuke Vs Madara :

He also did that without using Sharingan Precognition and EMS fluidity.

Speed Sasuke Vs Madara :

In Base form, he was able to completely blitz and one-shot Sage Naruto.

Speed Sasuke Vs Madara :

Naruto himself, stated that Sage mode has better reaction speed than the Kurama chakra mode.

He did that without any sort of visual prowess.

While we have Base Madara being stronger than KCM and Sage Mode Naruto,

Base Sasuke has been shown as an equal to Base Naruto.

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Even consistently in Boruto,

Sasuke needs his visual prowess, as well as his lightning flicker, to keep up with Naruto.

Did I forget to mention that Madara got Sage Mode?

With Sage mode,

Madara made EMS Sasuke look like an untrained child.

And he did that while completely blind.

In this same Sage mode state, Madara was able to react to a blitz attempt from both Sage Mode Naruto and EMS Sasuke.

He was also able to One-shot them both.

I would like to add that the Rinnegan itself doesn’t increase battle prowess.

Apart from the linked vision which Sasuke doesn’t use.

After Madara got into full base and acquired sage mode, he got a Rinnegan.

And as I said, the Rinnegan doesn’t increase battle prowess.

But Madara can turn his Rinnegan back to an EMS whenever he pleases.

EMS increases battle prowess and speed.

While Madara has no feats using One-eyed EMS Sage Mode, it’s an absolute certainty that his speed would be greatly improved.

This version of Madara was also able to react to an FTG Blitz attempt by one of the fastest shinobi.

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Then he gains the Juubi.

While Obito had a weaker version of the juubi,

Weaker because it lacked half of Kurama and all of Gyūki.

He was able to simultaneously blitz an Edo Hashirama clone and Edo Tobirama.

He also blitzed Edo Hiruzen,

He blitzed KCM Naruto and EMS Sasuke,

He blitzed KCM Minato.

Obito before absorbing the juubi was physical trash.

He didn’t have any movement speed feats that were even comparable to Sage Mode Naruto.

His juubi got him from Below SM Naruto to above KCM2 Minato and EMS Sasuke in terms of speed.

Madara himself was able to react to an FTG blitz attempt from SM Minato.

As well as reacting to eighth gate guy.

Being able to track him as he did absurd things like bending space.

He then absorbed the incomplete god tree.

The god tree basically absorbs the nature energy of an entire planet.

But since this one wasn’t finished, it’s an incomplete god tree.

Still, the Nature energy it contains is still far more than any Senjutsu transformation or technique can gather.

Then Madara gets his second Rinnegan.

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As I have said, the rinnegan itself doesn’t boost speed.

But Madara can swap them both to EMS which boosts speed incredibly.

Hashirama (Who fought Madara his whole life) claimed that’s SM Madara is almost as strong as EMS Madara.

Which means Madara having dual EMS would be the equivalent of stacking another Sage mode level amp on him again.

Or even greater than Sage Mode if we take Hashirama’s words into careful consideration.

Of course, nothing stops him from using the Sharingan precognition along with the Rinnegan abilities.

Then Madara attains Rinne-Sharingan.

The Rinne-Sharingan is the ultimate Sharingan.

Signified by the Number of tomoe.

The base Sharingan has three tomoe,

The EMS has Six tomoe,

As depicted in Sasuke’s Rinnegan.

The Rinne-Sharingan has Nine tomoe.

As depicted on Madara’s forehead.

The Rinne-Sharingan eclipses the EMS the same way the EMS eclipses the Base Sharingan.

With a three tomoe gap between each of them.

Now you know one of the reasons why Kaguya was such a beast.

Let’s see how this would turn out.

Sasuke:

  • Has a slower Base
  • Has Dual EMS
  • Has Hashirama’s cells
  • Has lightning flicker.
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Madara:

  • Has a faster Base
  • Has Dual EMS
  • Has Hashirama’s cells
  • Has Sage Mode
  • Has Juubi
  • Has god tree
  • Has Rinne-Sharingan.

Even if I decide to add the Rinnegan,

It would be to Sasuke’s disadvantage since Madara has two.

It won’t be wrong to say Madara is way faster than Sasuke.

Strength Sasuke Vs Madara :

I think Sasuke’s best strength feat was clashing equally with Base Naruto.

Madara blows this out of the water casually.

His limbo overpowered team 7 simultaneously.

I don’t want to have to get into this too much.

Sasuke has Hashirama’s cells.

Madara has that and way more.

As an adult, Sasuke was able to hurt Jigen.

Jigen is strong, but he’s basically a glass canon.

He’s just puppeteering a human body.

One of his best feats are hitting Naruto out of his Kurama avatar.

Which puts him at SM Madara’s level physically since his limbo is as strong as him.

He was also able to kick Sasuke out of his Susano’o.

I don’t have a direct comparison I can make between the two, but if Madara without the Juubi is already kicking around Kurama avatars, then Juubi Madara should have no problems breaking the Susano’o.

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Experience:

Most of Sasuke’s experience comes from the fourth great Ninja war.

After that, there was relative peace.

With the only serious threat being Momoshiki and Kinshiki.

Along with the recently added Isshiki.

Madara was fighting in wars since he was a child.

He was killed in his prime and resurrected through the use of Izanagi.

He lived for about fifty years while being fed information from Zetsu, before dying again of Natural causes.

His body was then modified to peak form again.

Forgive me, but I think the ninety year old man takes it in experience.

Chakra:

Is there really a need to go over this?

This is the incomplete Juubi compared to Kurama and Gyūki.

This is the incomplete Juubi’s Chakra level compared to Kurama.

I don’t think it’s far off to say,

Juubi >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kyuubi >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sasuke.

Let’s look at some points presented by some people.

(a.) Sasuke blitzed Madara.

You see, that is quite… impossible.

Madara reacted to a teleportation blitz attempt on two separate occasions while in a weaker state.

He reacted to the attacks and not the teleportation itself.

I don’t care how much you love Sasuke, I will ignore you if you tell me his foot speed is faster than teleportation.

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(b.) Sasuke can fight limbo clones.

I don’t know where to start with this…

First,

You need Six paths Senjutsu to affect limbo.

Which is why Sasuke always sent Naruto after them. He couldn’t do anything about them on his own.

(3.) Sasuke has the strongest genjutsu.

Alright,

I agree that Sasuke’s rinnegan genjutsu is strong,

But it’s only been used on Tailed beasts and Sakura.

Tailed beasts have been particularly susceptible to genjutsu since day one.

Sasuke needs to get

In

Line.

It doesn’t even matter.

Rinnegan genjutsu doesn’t work on Rinnegan.

(4.) Isshiki is stronger than Kaguya.

This is what is commonly used to decide that.

Even after Kaguya ate the chakra fruit, she still had to sneak attack Isshiki.

This means they either pay too much attention to fillers, or they just love Boruto.

This is filler. It was never stated that Kaguya got Rinne-Sharingan after eating the chakra fruit.

Heck,

A few pages earlier, she was depicted without the Rinne-Sharingan, even though it was the same person telling telling the same story.

Boruto fans only see what they want to see.

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Also, it was never stated that Kaguya went out of her way to catch Isshiki off guard.

It is stated that Kaguya suddenly turned against Isshiki.

We were never told whether or not it was a pre-meditated attack.

Which makes this point moot as well.

(5.) BFR gg.

Not only does Madara have the Rinne-Sharingan,

Amenominaka is literally stated as a Rinne-Sharingan ability in the databooks.

And guess what?

Sasuke’s space-time Ninjutsu isn’t special.

Momoshiki knew the Rinnegan has access to space-time ninjutsu.

Isshiki as well knows that Rinnegan can be used for space-time Ninjutsu.

If Madara sees Sasuke use it, he would use it as well.

Both Sasuke and Madara’s Rinnegan are derived from Hagoromo’s chakra.

(6.) Sasuke’s Rinnegan is as strong as two.

Without the EMS(Six tomoe) this is Sasuke’s Rinnegan.

It looks identical to one of Madara’s.

Nothing special about it. He still has his Rinnegan ability, he still has the six paths technique.

Speaking of his Rinnegan ability,

Madara already knows the range limit.

So it’s going to be quite a non-factor.

(7.) Chakra level.

People think Sasuke being able to make portals makes him on par with a Yang Seal/SPS Naruto clone and 100 Healings Sakura.

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But as you can see,

Naruto’s clone was destroyed.

They never got to use his chakra.

Obito also stated that connecting to someone else’s dimension would take way more chakra.

Which is something Sasuke won’t face since there is a whole section of the Rinnegan for Space-time Ninjutsu.

They were also able to make three portals consecutively.

Which is more than Sasuke can make without losing his eye powers.

(8.) Physical Fallacy.

You knew this was going to come up Sooner or later.

Naruto was fighting equally with Madara’s limbo clones.

Now, let me explain why this is wrong.

Limbo had no problems reacting to the real Naruto,

Limbo also had Zero problems knocking Naruto away.

Madara was so confident in his limbo, that he doesn’t even move when he sees Team 7 charge at him.

Limbo itself, not failing him by easily knocking them back.

It took:

  • One Yin displacement/Amenotejikara
  • One Magnet rasengan,
  • One Yin chidori,
  • One shadow clone,
  • Three truth seeker orbs,
  • And the original Naruto.

It took all these to seal one limbo clone.

And that’s because the original Madara was caught off guard by displacement.

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And my favorite part,

Limbo clones destroyed Shadow clones before the infinite tsukuyomi.

Please view this through the eyes of a sensible unbiased human being.

Naruto wants to go outside.

Sasuke tells him that he would get affected by infinite tsukuyomi if he goes outside.

The fact that Naruto didn’t know about the infinite tsukuyomi debunks the claim that Naruto’s clones were caught in the genjutsu.

Because as we know, the originals get information from their clones.

He then continues by saying the limbo clones have surrounded them.

Once again, the limbo clones are still active and have taken an offensive position(for the first time ever) while the shadow clones have long been destroyed.

The icing on the cake, is that Sasuke implies both he and Naruto, can be killed by the limbo clones.

Physically,

Limbo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Naruto >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sasuke.

Just because the Databook says Naruto and Sasuke are equal, doesn’t mean the are on par in everything.

Naruto is way stronger than Sasuke physically, while Sasuke is better than Naruto at genjutsu and stuff like that.

(9.) Momoshiki scaling.

I don’t want to waste too much time on this as the answer is already long enough.

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In the actual translation, Sasuke admits that his statement is pure conjecture.

Definition of conjecture.

Based on feats, Momoshiki is even worse.

He couldn’t beat Darui without catching him off guard,

He couldn’t blitz Gaara,

He couldn’t beat Choujuro without catching him off guard as well.

Base Naruto was able to fight on par with him,

He got completely obliterated by SPSM Naruto,

He got blitzed by Sasuke,

He got overpowered by Boruto.

I mean, the list is quite endless.

Note: This is strictly Manga Momoshiki. Anime Momoshiki has way more Anti-feats.

I’m not sure there’s anything left to talk about besides abilities.

I’m most likely going to forget a lot so please bear with me.

Sasuke:

  • Chidori and it’s variants.
  • Amaterasu
  • Kagetsuchi
  • Snake summoning
  • Hawk Summoning
  • Kirin
  • Six paths technique
  • Susano’o
  • Amenotejikara
  • Rinnegan based, Space time ninjutsu.
  • Fire style: Fireball Jutsu
  • Fire style: Phoenix flower Jutsu
  • Fire style: Flame bullet jutsu.
  • Shadow clones
  • All primary chakra Natures.
  • Kusangi blade.
  • Slight regenerative healing factor

Madara:

  • Gunbai
  • Fire style: Majestic destroyer flame.
  • Fire style: Dragon flame bullet.
  • Fire style: Great fire destruction
  • Fire style: Art of hiding in Ash
  • Wood style: Multi wood clone jutsu
  • Wood style: Deep forest emergence
  • Wood style: Deep forest bloom
  • Wood style: Wood dragon
  • Gale style: Light fang
  • Sage Art: Yin style Lightning dispatch
  • All tailed beasts abilities
  • Limbo Hengoku
  • Sage art: Wood style true several thousand hands
  • Sage art: Gracious deity gates.
  • Indra Susano’o
  • Truth seeker orbs
  • Immortality
  • Shadow clone jutsu.
  • Edo tensei
  • All primary chakra natures.
  • Clone see through.
  • Shattering heaven
  • Amenominaka
  • Rinnegan based, space-time ninjutsu.
  • Flight.
  • Infinite tsukuyomi
  • Six paths technique
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Now to address some Madara downplay.

(1.) Madara doesn’t have the tailed beast abilities,

Naruto could feel each tailed beasts chakra enter Obito one by one.

Despite it being the Juubi.

Kaguya’s body was reacting to each tailed beasts chakra individually.

Although the Juubi May be exponentially greater than the sum of it’s parts, it’s still the sum of its parts.

(2.) Madara won’t have Indra Susano’o.

Their reason for saying this is that Sasuke used the tailed beast chakra from outside his body.

This is false.

Just because Rock Lee used Kurama chakra from outside his body,

Doesn’t mean Naruto can’t use that form as well.

In fact, I have reason to believe that Madara’s Indra Susano’o would be much stronger.

While Madara can tap into the 100% power of the juubi, Sasuke didn’t use all the tailed beasts chakra.

Proven by the fact that Sasuke wanted to take more,

Supported by the fact that a Bijuu falls asleep when it’s completely drained of chakra.

The other half of Kurama doesn’t look too sleepy now does he?

(3.) Limbo can’t use jutsu.

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The Databook states that limbo has equal ability to the user.

The only time Databooks can’t be taken into account is if it’s directly contradicted by the actual manga or anime.

Now, even if we were to decide that Boruto scaling is law and that Sasuke is way Superior to Madara,

Madara will always be there as he is completely immortal.

Sasuke can literally never win against him.

Now, let’s talk about Why Sasuke is weaker in Boruto.

(1.) He lacks Hagoromo’s power.

Hagoromo gives Sasuke his power through the seals.

When talking about Hagoromo’s Six path Yin and Yang power, the seals are directly referenced.

Always the seals.

Heck,

Pay attention to the red circle only.

Hagoromo himself, openly disclosed the fact that he had given his chakra away.

And we sure as heck know he didn’t give his chakra to me.

After he gets the seals back, he is able to perform the jutsu he previously couldn’t.

Because the seals contain his power/chakra.

The same way they got the seals, is the same way they lost them.

No matter how long Adult Sasuke trains, he can never reach half of Hagoromo’s power level again.

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Before you ask about how he got the rinnegan,

He got it from Kabuto giving him Ashura cells.

Just like Naruto got six paths Senjutsu from Obito giving him pieces of the tailed beasts.

Pay attention to the green circle only.

Hagoromo himself, sees Hashirama’s chakra as synonymous to Ashura’s.

So you can’t refute it.

Sasuke and Naruto have their six paths powers because of Kabuto and Obito,

But they were boosted to absurd degrees because of Hagoromo’s power.

(2.) Sasuke lacks an arm.

Do you see what is wrong with this attack?

When asked by Hagoromo to lift his dominant arm, Sasuke lifted his left.

If you look at any of his attacks,

It won’t take a rocket scientist to realize that Sasuke is left-handed.

Obviously your fighting style will never be as good as it was when you had your dominant hand.

In fact, you can try it out yourselves.

Pretend you’re in a fight and don’t use your dominant hand at all.

You would see how frustrating it is.

If you’re ambidextrous well…

I don’t know what to tell you.

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Since Boruto fans love statements so much, let’s look at one.

Hagoromo himself, stated that One Eyed Juubi Madara was getting close to him.

Then Madara would go on to absorb the god tree,

Get another Rinnegan,

And obtain Rinne-Sharingan.

It was at this stage, that Madara was almost as powerful as Kaguya.

I dare you, go to my comment section and type:

Sasuke is stronger than Hagoromo.

Madara himself, surpassed Hagoromo by gaining a power he didn’t have.

Which was the Rinne-Sharingan.

This is probably my last Answer on Sasuke vs Madara.

If this doesn’t make you understand, then nothing will.

Thanks for reading and feel free to comment😸

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