Hey what’s up guys, so I want to talk about black Frieza VS Beast Gohan here today in this post. Because I see a lot of people trying to compare these Fighters and Gage, who is the strongest, like they are two of the newest transformations in the Dragon Ball super franchise.
But I’m gonna give you the truth in this Post because there’s a big misunderstanding when trying to compare the two characters, and it all boils down to anime vs manga two separate continuities of Dragon Ball super. Two different timelines, two different Power scales, and I’m gonna go into that right now so do me a massive favor guys, give your comment it really helps me know your opinion and I appreciate that.
Thank you so much for reading as we know Beast Gohan is an anime only character as of right now I’m making this post. Black freezer is a manga only character right now as I’m making this Post.
Misinterpretation on the power of beast Gohan & Black Frieza explains
Difference Power Scaling Anime & Manga DBS
You see in Dragon Ball superhero, the story has been presented as the sequel to Broly multiple times and as of the time I’m making this video, there is no mention of an animated version of the Moro and Granola arcs. In fact, in the animated version of events, the superhero story is the next point in the timeline after the Broly movie, unless you can prove to me or give me a source that says the Granola and Moro arcs took place in the anime.
In that case, I will retract what I said and apologize for the misinformation. However, you can’t because they are manga events only for now. And as we know, the manga and anime events, although they depict a similar pattern of events, are executed in totally different ways (Battle of the Gods, Universe 6 Arc, Goku Black Arc and Tournament of Power), they are all executed in totally different ways from each other in the anime and manga.
But the thing about the Morrow and Granola arcs is that there is absolutely no mention, as far as I know, of an anime version of these events so you can’t use them.
So when people compare Beast Gohan to Black Frieza I see a lot of scales where Black Frieza’s power is calculated from the anime version of the events from what was seen in the Resurrection F Arc and from what was seen in the Tournament of power anime and you can’t do it that way.
Because the scale of the anime is totally different from the manga one invalidates one’s own power scale because one chooses benchmarks from the anime and the manga that have been reached through different calculations and different numbers in the anime.
There are certain things that happen that increase the power of all the characters beyond the events of the manga. because things don’t happen
For example, in the manga as Goku absorbed the form of god in his basic form in the battle of God’s Arc. And say “beyond God” is not official in the manga Dragon Ball super. It’s a promotional manga panel of Dragon Ball Z Resurrection F that was incomplete and not related to the Dragon Ball super manga, it’s a promotional manga version of the movie Resurrection F. And this movie is different from the continuity of Super, which means you can’t extract scales from different continuities and there are plenty of other things going on in the anime that can make the scale higher than the manga.
How Strong is Black Frieza – Power Scaling Anime
Black Frieza based on the anime version of events, you are giving it a massive and unfair power. For an accurate answer, the only way to measure Black Frieza is to find out where he was last seen in the manga, which would have been the power tournament after he left with Whis, it was only mentioned in the manga when they were talking about what happened during the Broly incident. The Broly incident, for which we see panels showing that similar events took place. But, we don’t know how they happened in the manga, because there is a dialogue in the manga, believe it or not, where Goku and Vegeta say that they merged and that they defeated Broly in some way.
because in the anime Gogeta blew up Broly, they didn’t beat him somehow in the anime, they swept him off the ground. so even Broly in the manga can be depicted closer to Gogeta, stronger than a blue saiyan like in the anime.
so you see what I mean here, Black Frieza can only be evaluated from the power of this monster, until the moment he beat the real Ultra Instinct Goku and Alter Ego Vegeta.
The scaling of Black Frieza should be done between these two landmarks in the manga and then the whole raw scaling should be done before that. Now, when it comes to the Gohan Beast, we’re already at a higher scale than the anime, ripped apart by the underpowered.
How Strong is Beast Gohan ? – Power Scaling Anime
The whole narrative of the series, of the Dragon Ball superhero movie, was that Gohan became the strongest in the world, once again, by putting his mind back into the fight, and he did, Piccolo and Gohan did not even deny it after the fight, it was a confirmation.
But Gohan should always be ready and keep training, ready to face the big threats.
That’s a problem because that’s not how it works, the narrative trumps the power scale, go ask the creators. Even if it breaks the power scale, you have to count it, you have to do it because it’s narrative, it’s a story, not a math exam and they don’t write these stories with a power scale in mind.
If they want to write someone strong, they are and then you have to tweak your little power scale and change all these numbers and they give us a big headache. because all our hard work on power scales don’t mean anything officially. so to me, let’s just do power scales and stuff like that for fun and to keep it sane ok.
to keep things simple, let’s try to base the power scale mainly on the narrative, it’s less headachey. Even though it might be stupid and broken, I’d rather something be stupid and broken but not give me a headache. because I don’t think about it too much rather than trying to make sense of bad writing. why should we suffer for bad writing?
it’s not our job to fix this stuff.
There is a lot of dialogue in the series and in the game to illustrate the power scale.
if you were to compare the two Gammas together to Goku and Vegeta in terms of form in the anime, it would be Kaioken times 20 blue and the blue evolution form.
You can’t compare the Gammas to Goku and Vegeta if you use Ultra Instinct and blue Evolution, because we know that there is a huge gap between Ultra Instinct and blue Evolution.
so gammas are on the same level as blue Kaioken and blue evolution is the best way to understand that and it would also mean that the ultimate Gohan in the superhero movie is also on that level. Now that means he has become much stronger since the anime.
Beast Gohan is another level above that which makes him the strongest in the world. Ultra Instinct will also be the next level above blue Kaioken.
Black Frieza VS Gohan : Who Would Win ?
Anyway, No more chitchat and let’s get to the point with the comparisons, First we have black Frieza, the Tyrant of the universe 7, and after 10 years of training in some kind of room of the mind and time he met Frieza has reached a new form and crushed Ultra Instinct and Ultra ego.
On the other side we have the Beast Gohan, now as we all know Gohan has always been said to have one of, if not the… the greatest potential of the entire series, we have seen it many times before. but after the Dragon movie on superheroes, during his fight against Cell Max, Gohan proved to be a top contender for the strongest in the universe.
In fact Toriyama himself stated that Gohan is supposedly stronger than Goku and Vegeta and said that Gohan was actually the strongest. On the other hand, we have Frieza that we saw with our own eyes defeating both Ultra Instinct Goku and Ultra ego Vegeta after they were healed to full strength by monado and then there is this prophecy from the oracle fish about the strongest warrior in the universe, Granola and Gas not being in the equation anymore, Goku asks Whiskey if it was Frieza that the oracle fish was talking about, but of course Whiskey doesn’t give us a clear answer. He just mentions that the strongest warrior may have appeared somewhere in the universe.
Now, given Toriyama’s statements about the Gohan beast and the fact that the superhero movie is essentially a Canon, let’s say that it’s the Gohan beast that is now the strongest warrior in the universe. That this is who Whisky was referring to and if this is really the case, the manga will definitely have to do some retrospectives on the movie like the scene where Goku and Vegeta are training next to Broly while talking about surpassing him and Jiren. context of the story about Gohan’s transformation and where exactly this is going to scale him up in terms of power.
Anyway for the sake of a “what-let’s say Gohan the Beast is the strongest warrior Whisky was talking about, but how would a fight between Black Frieza and Beast Gohan play out?
Exploits Comparison – Black Frieza Vs Beast Gohan
Exploit Beast Gohan
I mean, putting those two against each other, do we already have a clear winner? Honestly, I think we do. I’m probably a little biased, but just for the sake of this post, we’ll answer this question using the way the narrative works in Dragon Ball and the way these two were portrayed.
but first, let’s compare the innate potential of these two, we already know that these two are generally built differently i mean Gohan was the first to unlock Super Saiyan 2 and after unlocking his potential he technically remained the strongest Z fighter while being the strongest without fusion, that is even at the end of Dragon Ball Z. however, Dragon Ball super wasn’t really very kind to Gohan at first, i mean he was he was left in the dust by Goku and Vegeta until the tournament of power and that’s when things got interesting for Gohan.
Again Gohan trained with Piccolo for just one full day and became able to train on par with Goku and that’s when he revealed how he plans to reach an ultimate form like no one has ever seen before.
During the tournament of power we saw Gohan fighting against kefla as if he was on par with the Super Saiyan blue then finally the superhero movie happens and Gohan practically storms past everyone and reclaims his title of strongest.
Exploits Black Frieza
Frieza on the other hand, was done and dusted after trunks finished him off. But in the resurrection of the Frieza saga and Dragon Ball Super, we saw the homie go further and reveal his new golden form, the golden Frieza, and despite the fact that he only trained for three or four months, he was still able to compete with Goku and Vegeta, who were also heroes.
Goku and Vegeta who were blue super saiyans at that time. Just before the Tournament of Power, he reveals that after improving his energy control abilities through Acute Focus on Missiles, he has achieved what he calls the true Golden Frieza. In the Broly movie, he doesn’t necessarily show us any new forms or powers, which is to be expected since this movie was more about Broly.
However, during the Broly movie, Vegeta talks to Goku about what would happen if Frieza attained a new form, which finally brings us to chapter 87. So you are starting to see the parallels, aren’t you?
Frieza and Gohan are both very good at the art of potential and are able to jump several levels in much less time than Goku and Vegeta. Their new forms have been mentioned at least once in the manga or in the movies.
How the fight of Beast Gohan vs black frieza could happen ?
I think it would only be a potential clash, but if there is going to be a battle at some point, there has to be a story around it, for example, after Frieza leaves, he is thinking about how to humiliate the Duo of Saiyans even more, but while he is thinking at midnight, he remembers his decision to destroy Planet Vegeta and wonders if he should do it again.
But only this time, while Goku and Vegeta are still training on Planet Berus, Frieza shows up in front of Earth and tries to destroy it with his usual Supernova or whatever.
Gohan and Piccolo of course sense the imminent danger and show up instantly to cancel the attack. Gohan and Frieza would have much shorter dialogue than Goku or Vegeta and Frieza so there wouldn’t be much to say here although there is something inherently different about this situation.
Gohan needs something to trigger this Beast form so it’s pretty useless without that intense rage he felt during the battle with Cell Max but Frieza was smart here, his attack was purposely not powerful enough to be a problem, even someone like Krillin could have stopped it, which is why Gohan is unsure of Frieza’s intentions here, especially since he knows that their victory in the tournament depended heavily on Frieza’s performance in this situation.
This situation was not so black and white naturally since Gohan had not pulled the cover over him Frieza also did not come out his black form he faced Gohan in his basic form but Piccolo as for him instantly turned orange unlike Gohan he knew something was up while Frieza might not be emitting some kind of bloodlust, Piccolo could practically feel a dark sense of uncertainty in the space.
Gohan was also very cautious because of this uneasiness but the external Trigger he needed to evolve into his beast form was still not present now there are two really solid ways that Frieza can help him with this first he can go peel that orange in front of him like he did with the gas or he can continue his plan to destroy the Earth.
I’m sure that both scenarios would happen in this state Frieza is of course not aware of the existence of the Gohan bee at this time and he is just analyzing the situation for the moment then suddenly Frieza turns black and leaves Piccolo and Gohan completely dismayed more unlike before they could feel the evilness that oozes from Frieza, he was going to destroy them, it was an absolute nightmare… He starts once again by hitting them simultaneously, as he did with Goku and Vegeta in the manga.
They are sent into the earth’s atmosphere as he bids them farewell and unleashes an ominous Supernova attack. A sinister Supernova attack designed to destroy them along with the planet. It was an absolute execution. Fortunately, before everything is completely destroyed, Gohan’s life flashes before his eyes and he remembers the moments when he evolved and defeated his opponents.
To save everyone and that they were counting on him at that moment, he had to learn to make that anger, that rage again. just like that, Piccolo prepares for impact and certain destruction, Gohan unleashes himself in all directions, once again, the beast Gohan emerges and he knows that Frieza need not exist.
Seeing this kind of strange transformation the freezer remembers the moment when a Saiyan transformed in front of him for the very first time, this moment would be almost identical to Goku’s Super Saiyan transformation and Frieza received constant reminders of his many defeats in humiliation at the hands of the Saiyans during these 10 years of hard work.
This was the first time he felt truly indifferent to the progress of a Saiyan in his heart, he knows that he has reached a state of absolute and undeniable confidence and it is impossible for him to lose here.
Last time, he trained for three months and could have sworn that he outperformed the Saiyans, but he was proven wrong. However, this time around Frieza has trained for a decade, 10 whole years, and if we do some simple math and estimate that it takes four months of training to become golden, then Frieza should be at least 30 times stronger than the golden Frieza.
The energy Frieza dodges effectively but then he is caught off guard by a quick elbow from behind or so Gohan thought as Gohan’s elbow makes contact with Frieza’s neck, he instantly turns around and sends a heavy kick to Gohan’s gut which sends his body into a spasm.
Cell Max was absolutely a bio-engineered brute but, Frieza has a combat experience whose IQ can rival that of the Gods themselves. when Gohan comes to his senses the first thing he sees is a huge punch just inches from his eyes he manages to avoid it but then suffers another devastating kick to the gut. I think it would be fair enough to say that Gohan’s adrenaline induced transformation would probably not be able to eliminate the effects of the transformation.
I think it’s fair enough to say that Gohan’s adrenaline induced transformation probably wouldn’t be able to cope with Frieza’s speed and raw power black Frieza surpassed him in both strength and agility it’s not like Frieza was looking for a challenge he just came to smoke the earth right here Gohan isn’t not finished yet he focuses everything on a singular point and unleashes a punch induced by a special cryptic Cannon beam although this is a very good time in the battle for Frieza to reveal something crucial in the mind and time piece all he did was to use it as a weapon of mass destruction.
In the mind and time room he has done nothing but image training, just raw image training, every possible attack pattern or stopping lane he has instinctively learned a way to counter them while exploding his strength and agility stats, this is the black Frieza, it declares a state that eclipses even ultra instinct.
Whisky was most definitely talking about the possibility that the strongest warrior has emerged somewhere in the universe, but the way I see it, Gohan isn’t there yet, I don’t even think it’s too far-fetched to say that the beast of Frieza is emerging from the universe. I don’t think it’s too far-fetched to say that the Gohan beast may not even be able to permanently overpower Goku as it is now.
That’s the whole issue of representation and perception with Gohan, we’re just told that he’s surpassed Goku and Vegeta, not to mention that the Goku and Vegeta he surpassed in the movie are still kind of stuck in the past, for lack of a better word, since the movie’s script was written in 2018 or 19 or something like that. … with Frieza on the other hand, we didn’t have to be told that he surpassed Goku and Vegeta, we could see this tangible proof with our own eyes when he simultaneously destroyed Ultra Instinct and Ultra Ego.
So there is no benefit of the doubt, there is no denying what we have seen, which is why, in my humble opinion, Black Frieza would most certainly outperform Gohan Beast if they were to exchange blows in the current context.
How things are right now even though of course in the end it’s all speculation so let me know what you think about this Gohan the Beast or this black Frieza.
Let me know what you think, but either way, thank you so much for reading to the end, if you made it this far, I really appreciate and love this black Frieza form, it’s probably due in part to how Frieza showed up and perfected.
Have a great day and let me know down in the comments why I’m wrong or if you agree with me and I’ll see you all in a future theory.